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[#108411] Written by: nightmarejoker2 [05/08/09, 13:32]
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Hello,

With HDTV nowadays it seems reasonable to me, to release high quality versions in HD720p with Dolby
Digital 5.1 sound and EZTV already redistributes those for certain shows. However, the release groups
that are releasing those high quality recordings also release high quality versions for other shows on
the site, where there are only low quality versions available on the EZTV redistribution channel. I would
thus like to ask you for including those higher quality versions for redistribution as well. DiMENSION
does a lot of those, but they don't appear on EZTV.
Secondly, it bugs me a bit, that the lower quality versions always apear first in the feed and get spread
up to 4 hours before any high quality versions get redistributed. This bugs me for the most part,
because reencoding a high quality video file to a lower quality one would be what would be applied
here, whereas it should take longer to release those. I am aware that another release group is
recording those and probably cuts and encodes them at the same time with the higher quality versions
at the other release group, but most people always want to watch the show and don't care about the
quality at all. This leads to the higher quality version being slower distributed. I would therefore
recommend to release the high quality versions before the low quality versions as well.

So in short:
Please include the HD720p x264 AC3 DD5.1 versions whereever they are available and put them in the
feed before the SD351p XviD MP3 Stereo versions.

Thanks a lot.
[#108430] Written by: sCifI3001 (Moderator) [05/08/09, 16:19]
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Quote by nightmarejoker2
Hello,

With So in short:
Please include the HD720p x264 AC3 DD5.1 versions whereever they are available and put them in the
feed before the SD351p XviD MP3 Stereo versions.

Thanks a lot.


can i have some? i don't normally do drugs, but the ones you are on seem really far out

can i have some? pleeeeeeeaze?
[#108434] Written by: sCifI3001 (Moderator) [05/08/09, 17:03]
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ok, i've had my coffee


nightmarejoker2, obviously you are just starting out with torrents, so here is your answer (if you had
bothered to read the faq/help thread you would know that eztv is not a capping group, they just re-
distribute the shows for us)

so they release them in the order they are released at top site level, since the xvid takes considerably
less time to encode than the 720p etc, they will normally be released first.

sometimes it is the opposite, but only when there is prolems with the xvid release
[#108508] Written by: SantaBJ (Super Moderator) [06/08/09, 05:58]
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And the reason we don't do 720p's of all the shows is...well, there are several:

1) They take longer to distribute properly
2) They even take longer just to "get out there"
3) They demand more of our seeders
4) They delay us quite a bit, since there are limits to how many shows we can keep seeded
simultaneously
5) They are, quite simply, not popular enough in general
6) ...and for some shows, they simply aren't warranted

The fact of the matter is, the regular 350MB HDTV releases are *by FAR* the more popular release form
among our downloaders. Some of the 720p numbers are low enough that if they were the numbers we'd
get on 350MB eps, we wouldn't have done the shows at all.

So then we are left with the following conditions for whether or not we'll do the 720p version of a specific
show:

1) The show needs to be popular (and so does the 720p version of it)
2) The show needs to have visuals that justify the extra visual quality

It's an interesting equation, because either one of the two might be significant enough to nullify the
other requirement. Many scifi shows, for example, have visuals more than impressive enough to
warrant the 720p even without the popularity - and some shows are popular enough to warrant 720p's
without the normally required visual effects (24, for example).
[#108950] Written by: nightmarejoker2 [09/08/09, 04:37]
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Well, I'm always seeding to 2.5 ratio and even more, if there's no show popping up in the feed that gets
added to my repository.
The SD351p resolution just looks like blurry garbage on my high def monitor... and, yes, I know, EZTV
is a distribution and no release group, that however wouldn't make it any harder to put torrents from
the release group into the feed.
DiMENSION does almost everything in 720p... call me lazy, but there's no subscription feed for that and
EZTV has one.
[#109021] Written by: quasipseudopizzaoid [09/08/09, 23:28]
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nightmarejoker2, unfortunately it isn't as easy as "DiMENSION released it, so let's add it to the
EZTV feed." And while your seeding to 2.5 helps the swarm in general, it doesn't really affect the
initial seeding. When a torrent is released, first they need to build a small group of high-speed
initial seeders, then they release it to the general population. There just aren't enough of those
initial seeders (I assume) to handle every show we'd like.

To illustrate, there was one guy who used to release a 175MB show I liked on mininova. He seeded it
all by himself, which meant that after 5 minutes there was 1 seeder, and 200 peers. Now, I can
download 175MB in less than 30 seconds and then seed to a ratio of 100:1, but because there were so
many peers, many of them slow, fighting for that one seed, it took over an hour to download. That's
why they need to build those initial seeds. But there are a lot of shows, and a limited number of
initial seeders.

I hope that clears things up.
[#109111] Written by: Tadanga [11/08/09, 11:45]
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nightmarejoker2 brings up an interesting point : a great number of us have or are in the process of
upgrading to HD content display (FULL HD LCD screen with matching computer power) since prices have
dropped significantly and the difference in image/sound quality clearly warrants the upgrade.

So starting next season, I am sure since I am one of them, there will be a surge in the demand for 720
and 1080 quality content significant enough to convince you that organizing a primary seed cloud for FULL
HD episodes should be a priority.

EZTV can greatly help the transition by announcing a drop date for SD quality and dedicate fully to HD.
No, I am not high right now.
[#109153] Written by: numaris [11/08/09, 19:56]
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I am... And I dont think dropping SD will ever work fer a long time... yet think for a short while,
tell me how long any country will be broadcasting SD for? Your reason for this thread will go in
quick succession...
[#109201] Written by: quasipseudopizzaoid [12/08/09, 06:47]
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Tadanga, I don't think you have entirely thought this through. Setting a date for SD withdrawal will
embolden our enemies.
[#109224] Written by: Dmfaust [12/08/09, 14:57]
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HD MEANS THE TERRORISTS WIN.

Anyway, there is the other issue of file size and longer download times beyond quality. Right now most
people just plain don't care enough about HD to be bothered, they'd rather have the smaller file that is
a shorter download on raw size alone even if transfer speeds were equivalent. And since were dealing
with television and not movies it is even more of an issue, as it is a weekly basis for what usually
amounts to a large array of shows as opposed to an isolated movie download. So untilat least even
movie distribution is entirely HD, it is completely unfeasible to expect television to be.

And when you add "archiving" or downloading things not freshly aired into the mix it just gets even
more compounded. I recently went through all 15 seasons of Stargate SG-1 and Atlantis and that was a
daunting download on its own and even more daunting to break even on ratio-it would have been
unthinkable on my internet connection if each episode had been HD. Most people don't even have HD
space to accomodate something like that.
[#109260] Written by: SantaBJ (Super Moderator) [13/08/09, 05:53]
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Regular quality will NOT be dropped for years yet. The numbers are quite clear; the regular 350MB eps are
still more popular than the higher-quality releases by many factors.
[#116695] Written by: tstrong299 [19/08/09, 18:04]
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If I want to watch something in HD, I'll easily DVR it. I download to archive stuff, and if there's a show
that my DVR didnt pick up, I'll just waste 5 minutes and download the SD file.

HD is nice on the tv, but broadband can still be quite expensive in some areas, and sometimes they'll
cap your limit. So, SD will be around for a while. The only way EZTV will stop seeding them, is when the
groups stop releasing them.
[#118017] Written by: Nothingness [10/09/09, 19:53]
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I hope you will keep the regular quality files for the torrents. In my case, my bandwith has a limit and
if I go beyond I have to pay a little fortune for each extra gig. These files are just temporary, frankly,
once the DVDs are out, I buy them, I get the best quality then and all the goodies that come with the
DVDs, and I delete the files I downloaded.
[#118184] Written by: PEX [13/09/09, 19:16]
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Agree

For the average home user, particularly in Australia, bandwidth is an expensive and finite resource.
Forcing SD torrents from the site so that a 1 hour show might be 1GB or more is crazy talk.
If I like a show or series, I'll go out and get it on DVD/Bluray, but I am most happy to treat the
SD as a preview, and I am most grateful to the site and the initial seeders for that opportunity.
[#118208] Written by: Mike. [14/09/09, 03:28]
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What you're looking for is a private tracker/usenet. EZTV is a tracker for the masses, most of which
simply don't have the upload (or even the download capacity) provided by the ISP to seed at an
acceptable rate. Sure, there are some of you who seed at 1:1 or more, but you're the exception, not
the rule.
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