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[#130326] Written by: sxycind [17/03/10, 20:19]
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You know what hun I am neither jewish or muslim. I dont think to value of a human life should be
based on religion and THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION TO KILL. It is not a question of who did throw
the first punch. It is the value of a humain life and the ability to share this wonderfull planet. This
is the meaning of peace. I would have thought that with past wars people would have learned
from there mistakes and the agony they have faced. I guess not. It is the anger that is the
foundation of all wars. A good example is your story about this woman with her infant near
enemie lines. It is provocation yes! This war will come to an end only if they stop playing this cat
and mouse game. It's a game of pride! If one of the 2 would stop responding to the provocation,
it would eventualy stop. A good example of this would be Gandhi.
[#130328] Written by: Feliner [17/03/10, 22:13]
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Quote by sxycind
You know what hun I am neither jewish or muslim. I dont think to value of a human life
should be
based on religion and THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION TO KILL. It is not a question of who did throw
the first punch. It is the value of a humain life and the ability to share this wonderfull planet. This
is the meaning of peace. I would have thought that with past wars people would have learned
from there mistakes and the agony they have faced. I guess not. It is the anger that is the
foundation of all wars. A good example is your story about this woman with her infant near
enemie lines. It is provocation yes! This war will come to an end only if they stop playing this cat
and mouse game. It's a game of pride! If one of the 2 would stop responding to the provocation,
it would eventualy stop. A good example of this would be Gandhi.



Regarding "THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION TO KILL", so does that mean the death penalty is out? So we
should allow serial killers and repeat child rapists who are beyond rehabilitation to wallow away in
prisons, eating up our tax dollars that could be spent on hospitals, education, etc? I'm not saying I'm
for the death penalty, but these are questions that need to be asked. Certainly there is no dollar value
that can be placed on life, but there is always an argument to both sides of any story.

If a hostile invader attempts to conquer your country, in the process murdering hundreds, thousands of
your countrymen (e.g., Hitler, Napolean) should we simply beg them to stop? Or pick up arms and fight
back?

If your neighbors intermittently break onto your property and one by one kill members of your family,
are you going to write them a nice letter requesting that they kindly cease their murderous activities?
No, you're going to do whatever you can to protect the surviving members of your family and take
inititiave to prevent your neighbor from having any further abilities to kill more members of your family.

Also, I don't believe it is a game of pride. Maybe for the politicians. But for the men, women and
children on the front line it is their life. For some of them, it is all they know. How dare any of us sit
here in our comfortable chairs, wearing our designers clothes, eating our take away food and use our
expensive computers to judge ANY of these people's actions?

It's very easy to judge from a distance.
[#130338] Written by: dizi [18/03/10, 00:30]
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Quote by sxycind
...Beneath all of this political
crap is a very simple sitation: The muslim and the jewish are at war for a small strip of land called
the Gaza. this is a holly war again!!!! Same shit, same reason everytime. ...


The whole point is that we don't want anything to do with Gaza. we did everything we can to separate
ourselves from Gaza. we withdrew our Jewish towns from the strip in 2005, and for it we got more
violence.
what you are doing is trying to simplify the entire conflict to a single sentence. if it were that
easy it could have been solved. Israel does not go on 'holy wars' or any wars for that matter that
are not for the sole purpose of defense.
Israel's army is based on reserve soldiers. so that when we are at war half the country is shut
down, the soldiers fighting are our family and friends. an attack like 'cast lead' is a last resort.
[#130343] Written by: itchypow [18/03/10, 02:10]
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fact, this latest peice of conflict was bought about by isreals inability to follow international
law due to americas continued support of it's policies, and it was the isreali's who broke this
latest cease fire by contuing to settle against international law that lead to the barrage of
thousands of hamas rockets which may have caused minimul casualties. We then see Isreali airforce
dropping white phospherous bombs on international television once again against international law
and with the tacit approval of the americans...and then you clowns are sitting here arguing over who
has the moral high ground.....you can all go to hell! I know I will!
[#130360] Written by: Volvi [18/03/10, 07:21]
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Well I for one wont be downloading this show of propoganda using children to justify jihadist terrorists
and all their evil deeds. Where was this film crew in Sdorot Israel for 8 years while missiles were
pouring down on them? yes on schools and kidergartens, they dont care they willfully target civilians
but run when faced against the israeli military and hide behind woman and children. Wont be long
before many of us in the west will be facing the same jihadist yelling allah hu akbar while carrying out
their barbarous acts, then you wont worry to much about Gaza youll be more concerned about your
own safety. Only a matter of time before we all will be facing what Israel has had to deal with for
decades. Then you will learn for yourselves what Da'ar Al Islam - Da'ar Al Harb means.
[#130368] Written by: redjade [18/03/10, 10:31]
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funny how so many of the comments here are condemning the film without having actually watched it.
[#130370] Written by: dorkulon [18/03/10, 11:31]
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What a mess the whole situation is. Both sides have legitimate grievances, but the Palestinians do
themselves no favors by firing rockets with no hope at all to tip the power balance. Obviously, it's not cool
that any single Palestinian has the power to "declare war" for his people by firing a rocket--innocents don't
deserve to die for the stupidity of a few dumbasses.

The only strategy that could work for the Palis is non-violent resistance. A few months of Ghandi/MLK style
peaceful demonstrations and a little footage of them being beaten/shot by IDF forces with no provocation
would do a lot to turn the tide of public opinion. Unfortunately, I don't think it's possible for the Palestinians
to let go of their anger and desire for revenge long enough to behave in such a manner.
[#130378] Written by: redjade [18/03/10, 15:41]
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Dork

there is NonViolent resistance from the Palestinians - everyday of life under occupation is
primerily resisted via nonviolence..

Plus there is NV demos every week at Bi'Lin West Bank to protest the Israeli Apartheid Wall - but
you seem clueless about these facts, I wonder what media you consume.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=387BJWIwOXo
[#130413] Written by: dizi [19/03/10, 04:59]
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throwing rocks does not count as non-violence. in that video they throw rocks on several occasions
once the camera is turned away. besides that the video shows only riot control weapons fired: tear
gas grenades (fired from the m203 grenade launchers attached to soldier's m16s), hand-thrown
flash-bang shock grenades (cause no physical damage but disorient the target) and rubber bullets.
those are all accepted and used throughout the world by police to handle riots. I'm sure I can come
up with plenty of videos showing you domestic riots around the world being handled much more
violently by police then those demonstrators are by the soldiers.
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