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[#79030] Written by: Dragonator [12/02/08, 13:41]
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Unbelievable! That's all that comes to mind.

First of all I am not in UK but am in a EU member state.

The internet is in essence the supreme form of liberty and freedom. It's own
structure makes it so. The only possible way to attempt to control it is through
drastic regulation such as this one. How will they be able to know who downloads
illegal material? Will they monitor all the internet traffic? If so I would
personally consider it a drastic violation of my fundamental rights to privacy
and to freedom of information.

Another interestingly STUPID fact I so often see is the deficit estimates made
by the industry when they state the losses caused by piracy. I don't know if
this is the case in other regions but in my country at least those estimates
simply do not apply. Here less than 5% of the people who download pirated
software and other products could even afford to purchase any such products and
less than 1% would deem it necessary. Therefor the industry would not have to
gain anything from wining this war against piracy. If anything they would stand
to loose as many of the so-called "pirates" often choose to buy a product that
they discovered in their endeavor and grown to like and appreciate it. Piracy is
also an investment. Many of those people that can not afford to buy software and
choose to download it receive this way the chance to learn and later perhaps
become a programmer or producer themselves.
[#79038] Written by: mrperfecto [12/02/08, 14:01]
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OK this is fucked up. Where have the world gone to
[#79040] Written by: NicNac [12/02/08, 14:19]
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""A spokesman for the Internet Service Providers Association told The Times (UK)
Newspaper it remained hopeful that a deal over a voluntary system could still
emerge: "Every right-thinking body knows that self-regulation is much the better
option in these areas."""

Oooh, i must go turn off my computer now... O_o

But yeah, i have to wonder whether Uploading stuff to sites would also be seen
as a bad thing....
[#79048] Written by: vexxxboy [12/02/08, 15:05]
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who is the government protecting here , its not the person who voted them in,
its the 4-5 big companies that are suffering profit drops ,not loses. why should
they get protection from the government when they dropped the ball in the first
place. instead of pissing of the same consumer who still buys there product why
dont they find a way to make money from it.
[#79055] Written by: Loudsavlon [12/02/08, 16:52]
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We didn't even get a chance to vote for that lard-ass, Brown. He snuck in like
a slug getting into your vegetable patch. Now he's sat on a pile of carots
ruining all in sight. Blah.



Hopefully we can stress this will interfer with our human rights, go to a super
liberal EU court and get some kind of restraining order against the UK
Government

Blimey. That would be rather amusing.



[#79057] Written by: Ven [12/02/08, 17:00]
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Hmmm ... Here's hoping the govts plan falls thru. I'm thinking if the UK govt
gets it's way on this it will be only a matter of time before the Australian
govt use it as an excuse to follow suit in Oz too.

Fight the power UK!!
[#79062] Written by: DarkGuyver [12/02/08, 17:10]
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This is nothing more than the BIG MAN trying to protect his own investments.
DVDs/CDs/Video Games/Software sales are at an all time high! Due to the fact
that high street retailers like HMV and Zavvi have gotten into the habit of
moving their newly released DVD into the buy X number of DVDs/CDs/Software for
£XX after they have been released for 6 months.
[#79063] Written by: invictus [12/02/08, 17:12]
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maybe if we say dowloading is a kind of religion, we can get away with it!?
but seriously what can we do?

But like Ven says we got to fight
[#79069] Written by: cmailbox [12/02/08, 18:26]
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How many more liberties will they take away from us? When on the other extreme
they let other kinds of people get away with murder because of their civil
liberties, it's all wrong. We need to fight this should it happen, start an
Internet Users Association or something and urge people who use an ISP who
blocks this kind of traffic to boycot them and move to another ISP. I use
utorrent which has a neat encrypt button but not sure how effective it is now
or will be in the future. "Say No to ISP's that Say No!"
[#79074] Written by: quasipseudopizzaoid [12/02/08, 18:59]
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"...costing music and film companies billions in lost revenue."
poopoo. it ain't lost if it never would have existed. They really need to be called
on their dubious estimation methods.

As for cmailbox's "How many more liberties will they take away from us?"
..really? First they came for the music downloaders, and I said nothing because
I did not download music. Something like that? The media corps want cashola.
That's the extent of their interest. I don't think they aim to suppress your
human rights. ...though i am sure some people here consider downloading pirated
material to be a basic human right

(funny aside: spellcheck complains about "cashola", recommends "asshole" )
[#79081] Written by: f14jag [12/02/08, 20:17]
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So what i can gather it is the type of file allocation type they are on about
stopping I.E MP3 , AVI & MPEG & so on it seems as if it will be back to the
old times re-name the file allocation from .zip to .mp3 or as what i have
worked out RAR all major files up “ok a show will take a few min,s” then
upload and download that file type as they cannot say that part of a rar file
is a file named above mind you they are just couple of ways and in 1 way if
they block all above files from being sent what about the AVI files that
families send each other of their families who live abroad & for those in the
E.U when 1 major state does it then all other states will have to follow don’t
forget EU Reg,s another thing what about the wrieless hotspots or unprotected
wireless networks i bet you no what i am going to say it will only push them
to steal the wireless networks i will put it 1 way no matter what they do the
crooks will always be 1 step ahead i no i can drive down my street and find at
least 3 open wireless networks and if i choose to goto the student area the
pubs around there offer free wireless connection so i cant see how they can
gather the information just from 1 person
[#79082] Written by: Dmfaust [12/02/08, 20:19]
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This is quite disturbing, there are far too many grey areas on the subject for
such legislation to ever be just or accurately hit true criminals.
Unfortunately I am just not familiar enough with UK politics to know whether or
not this is mostly rhetoric or actually has a good chance of going into effect.
Anyone with a better knowledge of the system have an idea on that?
[#79089] Written by: MiloLover [12/02/08, 22:40]
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Would this actually count for TV shows too??? After all they're not classed as
DVD's/Albums/Music.
[#79098] Written by: evolutioncv [13/02/08, 00:03]
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What these people really fail to see is that therre would be absolutley no need
for fast broadband internet connections without file-sharing. ISP's should worry
about their income... 6Million lost Broadband customers... I would switch to the
smallest one available, for about a tithe of the rates i pay now. For example :
i've got 25MBit connetction now for about 110€ per month. If this stuff were to
be enforced, i would switch to the "enough for email and web and some updates"
14,95€ per mont contract... Most broadband connections live from file-sharing.
and since there is not much legal stuff to share out there this market would dry
out quick.

But i have to wonder, what are they doing with heavily encrypted connections?
Would they be banned to? Do you get warnings and lawsuits if you encrypt all
your connections?

Some people really need to see some reality before the get to make decisions
like that. What money companies could make if they would renovate their
strategies. I would suspect most people go for piracy not because they wouldnt
want to buy the stuff legally, but because they can't. What shoolboy can afford
a new 60€ game every month, because after a month you have played that game
through and through. What about DVD's at 30€ a pop. What if you dont even get
the chance to get to the stuff legally? Like tv-shows which are never
broadcasted in certain countries or games never to be released in your country.
Like we poor people in germany... Every single tv-show gets translated into
our language. And not with subtitles, but complete voice substitution. And there
is no way to get to the originals. I would download less thn half the shows i do
now if they would be broadcasted in their original language... I would even pay
something for that. So whats the deal? first they cant do business and then they
try to make other people pay for their mistakes.
[#79129] Written by: swan01 [13/02/08, 03:37]
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Thank goodness for peer guardian ( pretty reliable for now ) and maybe it would
help to make our community a private site;with members only who can invite only
trusted friends .I don't think for a minute that these measures will be
foolproof but it may slow them down a bit,while people with better brains than
me can figure out a way round the proposed legislation
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